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« on: September 10, 2006, 12:25:34 am »

What do youthink of that Comair crash?It was frighteningly easy to reproduce on my PC Microsoft flight sim.I utilised a Lear Jet.There too many trees close to the clear way! A V1,Vr of 115-120 kt(PROVIDED BRAKES ARE NOT RELEASED TILL TAKE OFF THRUST IS SET-TO ALLOW ADEQUATE ACELLERATION) should lift off clean into the second segment but the rate of rotation should be an expedited 10 degrees or it is easy to hit those trees especialy at those heavy weights.I NOTICED DUE TO THE TOPOGRAPHY IT IS A PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT FIELD TO MANEUVRE INTO IN INCLEMENT WEATHER EVEN ON A LESS HEAVY PLANE LIKE LEAR JET OR KING AIR.I think that short runway should be utilized only in VMC conditions by day time.

Opinions from heavy turboprops pilots who have opearted fom Lexington's  runway 26 (especialy at nighty/in IMC) would be highly appreciated

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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2006, 09:45:26 pm »

I think that the accident, any accident, is tragic.  I do not want to pass judgement or assign blame to anyone, but I have a very good idea of how the NTSB final report will read.

I have operated out of LEX a few times.  Something you may not know about RWY 26/4 it is a DAY only runway.  The runway lights have not worked for quite a while.  Another thing is it is limited to 12,500#.  So anything larger than a King Air, is not allowed. 

Now, I know that an RJ does not have a DG, but you should always check heading alignment.  And when at an unfamiliar airport, no matter how expeirenced you are or how small the airport is, you should use a taxi way diagram at ALL times.

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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2006, 02:58:26 am »

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Hi Brian,(AND TO ALL THOSE WHO HAVE READ MY ARTICLE) thanks for reading this topic and responding in the way that you did.It was reassuring of my thinking as I see my thoughts aligned with the more experienced piots like yourself who have had the priviledge of operating in beautiful Lexington .I didnt even know where Lexington was before the crash(I come from Kenya)!This unfortunate tragedy was not only an opportunity to learn and reinforce my current knowledge, it also provided me an opportunity to tour the beautiful country in my flight simulator  Cheesy.With the understandable constraints such as RTOW you quoted as wel as what I guessed to be a day time runway,I am querying the degree of realism in my simulator now, as I managed to conduct 3 consecutive safe flights in IMC 500 FT cloud base in rain departing from RWY 26 and arriving on 22 on a VOR/NDB approach I mentally constructed(as I had no access to approach plates).It still required a significant amount of tight low level maneuvering and strict vigilance when visual..on a DC9-30!

I suspect the navaids should be relocated to provide a closer alignment to the runway, considering the threat that the local topography presents.I also feel the greenery close to the clear-way of rw 26 should be cleared further afield.Whatever happened to the fate of the poor Co-Pilot? What protection from the media and interrogation exists in the industryfor the surving crew after an accident in USA?

You might notice that in all my commentry I had not passed judgement on Human factors.It would however be impertinent not to shed some light on this matter.

1. From Pilots' perspective:

 A)  Any entrance on a runway, upon alignment(whether taxying forward or backtrack, crossing a runway intersection,or if aligned and  cleared for take off) to take the opportunity, when on a steady unaccelerated pace, to cross check the compass readings (#1,#2,stand-by compass, and sensible readings from the RMDIs).

 B) As you had mentioned: for the taxi phase of flight, the primary charts to be used are the TAXYIING charts-and the
   accountable officer being the Pilot Monitoring additional to calling out the taxi junctions and turning reference  points as they
   are reached(as the taxyiing pilot is busy maneuvering)as well as offering guidance support and traffic clearance and any obstacle annunciation.Importantly, there ought to be more formality in accepting and verifying taxyiing clearances visually reference to the valid and NOTAM referenced taxyiing charts(especialy at complex aprons-no matter how small the aerodrome).

2. From an ATC perspective

  A) Prior to clearing an aircraft for take off, after all standard procedures have been adhered to), ensure that:
    the runway is scanned for traffic,debri,or any other incursions(people,animals,birds...as often was often the case when I flew
    in bushy East Africa!)-those binoculars and flash beams are part of the pre-take off clearance check list arent they??

 B)ATC should have it in conscience that they are clearing an aircraft(with people and cargo) for Take off(the most critical
   phase in flight by accident  statistics) and that THEY are in control of the flight too...and should be their primary concern using
  all resources within their means until flight is out of sight AND radio frequency handover is assigned.ATC are the Pilots' official
  extra pair of eyes and it is THEY who may be able to intervene a take off decision to abort in case of abnormalities beyond the
  pilots' peripheral vision and awareness...smokes, fires, component fall outs,panel blow outs,.to name but a few...

 May I emphasise that CRM is not limited to within cockpit resorces and ATC(the macroscopic CRM),ramp staff, cabin crew, and 
 passenger comments during any phase of flight can also be seriosly reckoned with.

A final point that I think is noteworthy particularly in scheduled operations (where time keeping sometimes out of obsession), challenges or supercedes safety.Once cleared for take off..it should not be rush RUSH RUSH!!!! I had been inolved in a situation where my commander's over confident(if not arrogant nature) created the start of a chain of events that could have breached safety if compounded by more carelessness from my part(was only a fresh FO at the tail end of my training and therefore not expected to be assertive if I was interested in checking out!)..where after unnnecessary long winded critique whilst taxying out, already running late, and a long winded apologetic PA from my Capt. he made me pause the pre take off checklist (whilst he was oratoring)and ended up rushed on to the runway on a rolling take off whilst attempting to clear the remaining items in the checklist(he was Pilot flying!).Talking about CRM mis-coordination!Somehow when that happens, do you notice how things accelerate faster than you would like them to?it is this sort of event occurrence that could lead to disocating you out of the 'state of mind envelope' required for take off.I BELIEVE THAT EVERY PHASEOF FLIGHT REQUIRES A DIFFERENT STATE OF MIND , MENTAL PREPARATION AND LEVEL OF AGGRESSION TO STAY IN CONTROL WITH THE AIRCRAFT AND THE FLYING ENVIRONMENT IN GENERAL.Please correct meif I am wrong on the matter.

It would interest me to gain feed back on this article from NTSB and hope that we can learn a little more.I am based in UAE presently and had previously flown in Kenya.I hope to relocate to CANADA to taste the crisp cool sky up there.If you have any experiences that you wish to share over ATC or flying culture in Canada, I would be delighted if you could enlighten me.

Have great flights and ..stay out of trouble mate!

Rex

 
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2006, 10:28:06 am »

There is not a lot of information that the NTSB has released yet on this particular crash.  It will probably be 1-2 years before they release a final investigation of this magnatude.  I too read as many accident reports as I can to increase my knowledge.

I am going to guess you are not a member of AOPA.  They are a very good organization in the US that support GA quit heavily.  Anyway, they are a good source for instrument charts.  Also, airnav.com will allow you to download them.  This may help out with IAP's for your flight sim game.  For more detailed terrain information, try Google Earth.

As far as Canada, I have only landed in their great country once.  They were almost no different than the US ATC, as far as I could tell.  It took a little extra planning to coordinate customs on both sides, but that was it.  Even the FBO when I ordered fuel was very, very courteous.  I went in with my fuel order in gallons as well as litres and asked them which they needed.  Either one she said.  Great folks, even ran an extension cord so we could utilize our engine block heater.

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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2006, 12:05:45 pm »

Thanks Brian.

I normally use JEPPESSEN/Local AIP approach charts and airway charts but have only limited copies.Thanks for the tips.Will go to Airnav and will consult Google Landscape.Wonderful advice.

By the way, any idea where inexpensive airline simulator rentals are available to practice airline interviews.I want to prepare for a possible 777/330 Job next year.

What do you fly? scheduled operations?
Take care.

P.S. Have you read the books on "Air Disasters" by one australian author(I think they are three parts).Excellently documented with fabulous illustrations.Sorry cant remember the author or publisher.In had the books shipped away.When I get hold of them will advise you if interested.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2006, 07:54:55 pm »

I do not know any simulators just for "rent" that are designed for the 777.  There are several schools that have simulators that can be set up for multiple generic aircraft.  You could check with some of the flight training facilities, such as Flight Safety International for what they offer. 

I work for a company that is contracted by FedEx to fly the FedEx C208 Caravans.  I fly 4 nights a week out of MEM and home about 5 hours later.  Very, very good job.  Not many pilots out there can be home with their family everyday, and I consider myself blessed in this situation.

What do you fly out of the UAE?

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« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2006, 11:13:33 am »

Well, we did get a bit off the original topic, but we are the only ones here!!!  I am sorry to hear about your hardships; both family and career.  Sounds like you are a very dedicated pilot, which makes better pilots IMHO.  Some people look at this as a job; the day this becomes a job to me will be the day I quit!  I love flying too much.

I remember getting onto a G I, but never flew on it (my Dad's company plane).  He went on to fly GII/IIB and GIV.  He is now GIV instructor in SAV at Flight Safety.

Good luck with your future endeavors.

Brian
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