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Aaron Korn
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« on: September 14, 2006, 02:11:15 pm »

Hi Everyone, I'm new to the forums here and i'm looking for some thoughts and input on my plans. I am an 18 hr student that quit training after soloing about 15 months ago. I've recently relocated and started flying again (only one lesson so far) with an instructor I really like. My CFI is teaching full time, and I'm fortunate enough to have the time and resources at this point in my life to train very frequently. I've talked to my instructor about dedicating 4-5 hours a day, 5 days a week for ground and flight instruction, with the hopes of finishing up my private ticket in about a month, and he is all for this plan. I have not yet taken/passed my written test, an I admit that I'm not extremely disciplined when it comes to self studying. I have the Rod Machado book and the Sporty DVD's which I have found helpful so far. My question is, has anyone tried this kind of approach? I figured it will be less expensive than going to a 'real' accelerated flight school. I also think that the immersion will help prevent the whole 'retraining' that takes place when lessons are spaced a week apart. Has anyone else tried this approach? Do you think my time frame is reasonable (4-6 weeks)? My main purpose for getting my ticket (other than having a passion for this whole flying thing) is to commute to work. My brother in law and I own a company about 100 miles from where we live in the desert of Southern California, and the 2-3 hour commute (each way) into Long Beach every day is starting to wear on us - every day we think about how nice it would be to have the ability to fly to work (airports at each end are less than 5 miles away from our final destination)

Also, on a slightly different topic, I know I'll be buying a plane soon. Ultimately I would like to have a turbo-charged 6 seater, since I'd like to haul my family around and turbo because I'll be flying over the San Bernardino mountains every day. I was thinking about a Piper Cherokee 6 or maybe even a Saratoga. My dilemma is, should I go for the complex, high performance retractable right off the bat, or should I buy a decent 172 (the type i'm training in) and build some time before moving into a bigger beast? I was thinking it might make sense to get a Cessna now and do my training in my own plane - save the cost of renting since I'll be buying one soon anyway. It will mainly be used for commuting with 2 or 3 people, and I know the total cost of ownership will be much cheaper on a Cessna 172.

Sorry for the ramblings, and I'd love to hear advice anyone has to offer!
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2006, 09:12:58 pm »

I am going to preface this statement with the fact that I have nearly 1000 hours of dual instruction given, the last flight school I worked for/through was 61 and 141, and I have had a few students that got there licenses in 6-8 weeks.  One student was instrument rated in about 3 months time (all, part 61), so it is possible if you are dedicated and disciplined.

Hopefully I can give some helpful advice on both of your questions.  As far as doing the accelerated flight training with your 'normal' CFI, it should not be a problem.  First and foremost, however, you should ask the instructor a few basic questions that will help you make a decision.  One, how many students has he trained and passed; what is his pass rate first time around.  Next, is he willing to tie up his schedule with you that much.  More than likely yes, but if he already has 5-6 students, he may not be able to (instructors, as well as most other professional pilots, are limited in FLYING only 8 hours in a 24 hour period).  Usually, not a problem, but there are a few times you must cut a flight short due to heavy flying loads.  I am glad that you like/get along with the CFI, but try to remember, it should be more of a business relationship; money for services rendered.  Do not get me wrong, I still speak with and go out with several of my former students (football games, drinks, etc) even after I moved 200 miles away, but while instructing, it was all business.

Now then to dive into your next question about purchasing an aircraft.  Again, ask your instructor some questions.  The planes you are inquiring about are great GA aircraft, but the insurance company (which REALLY dictate what we fly) will require you to get at least 25 if not more dual instruction in with your limited time/experience.  Question one in this regards should be the instructors own complex time and high performance time.  Complex is generally not a problem, it is the high performance that a lot of new instructors have a problem with.  Another is time in type (PA32, PA32R, C182, C206, etc) that again, the insurance company WILL require for the person you get your required dual instruction from.

Now then suggestions on planes.  You have practically 0 time, so you are not biased towards any particular model.  I do not know your finances, but if your idea is to get time in a plane and fly you and your family/business partners in, I would suggest a fixed gear aircraft for now.  In this range you have several to choose from.  The four seat variants will be more easily insured by you (not to mention cheaper).  TRUE four seaters (four adults and decent range of fuel) would be C182 or Cherokee 180 or Dakota or Cirrus and Lancairs.  There are others, but I do not have 1st hand knowledge of loads, but I would think that the Grumman Tiger would fit the bill.

If you do decide that your mission, 80% of the time, you need 5-6 seats, you have fewer  fixed gear options.  C206 and Cherokee 6. 

I would suggest if you decide on a four seater, to go for the C182.  This plane has been known for decades as the best all around GA aircraft out there.  It is easy to fly, especially if you are used to flying C172's.  And if this or another four seater is your choice, I would seriously consider purchasing the plane and do all of your training in it.  Now, buying a plane is not like buying a car, it is more like buying a house.  I say this because, airplanes are more of an investment.  If one is not maintained well by the previous owner, you will have VERY high MX costs.  So, I strongly suggest a prebuy inspection and although maybe more expensive in the short run, an aircraft broker/dealer to assist in your search.

My two cents.  I hope this helps and that I have not confused you.

Brian

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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2006, 09:29:15 pm »

I could have added this to the last post, but it was getting too long anyway.  I strongly discourage anyone from getting primary training in a turbocharged aircraft.  There would be, IMHO, too much wear and tear on the turbos and engine.  Turbocharged engines, as well as, the 6 cylinder engines, need more care (cooling off/down properly) than what primary training usually involves. 

Again, my two cents, but I have learned alot from personal experience and from A&P mechanics.  For instance, I flew a PA46-310P (Malibu) for about a year and put about 750 hours on it (TSIO-550 engine; 550 cu. in., turbocharged 6 cylinder engine).  I let the engine warm up properly and did proper "let downs" and cool downs.  Never had an engine problem.  After 6 months with a new pilot and 150 additional hours on the plane they needed 3 new cylinders (the owner spoke to me about this, and I and the mechanic doing the MX came to the same conclusion of not being flown properly); OBTW, when I left, it was getting an annual and everything was OK.

Brian
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