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« on: May 16, 2007, 12:36:34 am »

I will be starting my flight school very soon and am thinking about purchasing a plane of my own. I figure this will cut the cost I have to pay for training plus give me a plane i can greatly enjoy after I get my private. I am debating between the Cessna 152 and 172. Both are used in flight training programs across the country, and I know they are both pretty similar, but which would be best for me? Keep in mind, as of now, I have zero hours of flight time! I am open to any suggestions! Thanks!

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« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2007, 06:57:44 am »

Well as a former airplane owner I can say for sure that you will NOT save money by owning your own airplane during training and maybe not even after training unless you fly 200 hours per year or more.

However you might lease your airplane back to a flying club or flight school to help pay for the airplane.  Most people own airplanes so they have one available when they want not to really save money.

If I was to purchase an airplane again it would either be a Light Sport Aircraft (LSA) or a Cessna 172.  4 passenger airplanes will get more use, the C152 is only good for two lightweight people.
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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2007, 02:55:00 pm »

As Gary said you wont save any money buying your own plane unless you are planning on flying 200+ hours a year.  I am also kind of in your position to.  I am looking to get my private soon (working on my Sport right now) and my CFI said I should think about leasing to my local flying club.  I think I mite lease a 152 just for training not for owning.  But you also mite want to look at Sport Pilot.  It is allot less cheaper but there is allot more limitations.  For purchasing an LSA I would purchase an CT.  www.flightdesign.com
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2007, 06:22:16 am »

I had the same thought -- in fact, I had met someone in my travels who started out really concerned that the aircraft he was training in were going to get sold out from under him. This encouraged him to buy his own aircraft, and eventually he got into a business leasing them.
But time out. One quickly realizes that it just isn't so. Apparently, no one is in a rush to buy a flight school plane. They are not going anywhere anytime soon. Often you will see an ad posted for a 172 for example, and somewhere within the ad the seller will state "NEVER WAS A TRAINER" or some other hint (like posing the entire family in front of it, or stating "one owner, privately used" or something similar).
I can personally say that I've been training for several hours in the same 172 and I never feel a lack of confidence in the airworthiness of the equipment. In fact, this particular plane had suffered some serious damage in an accident 5--7 years ago. It would probably cost about $50,000 to fix it had it happened today.

This brings up another point - damage history. As one person bluntly put it, "If someone tells you that a 30-year old plane has no damage history, they are LYING." Since you are NEW to the world of flying, how do you *really* know what you're getting into?
What is the likelihood that you buy a used aircraft, then find out at the next annual or major overhaul that it needs MAJOR work? What if that "$25K plane" turns out to cost twice that much in mechanical work (hence the reason for the quick sale...)

The only thing I can determine at this point is that you would pay for a thorough mechanical inspection prior to sale. (I wouldn't use a mechanic recommended by the seller)
Not only might this protect the buyer, but I think it's good for the seller as well - he/she doesn't waste time with people who aren't serious. I think that a willingness to pay for an inspection is a clear demonstration that you are serious about making an offer.

As for ownership of a trainer -- one risk is YOU and your needs. Right now you're training and learning to fly. Pretty much if it's cheap and gets off the ground (and an instructor is willing to get into it) that would meet your needs. But what about after training?
Will it have the utility you need?
If not, what will you do - sell it?
How much of a loss will you take?
There's something to be said for renting a "wet" plane by the hour and then walking away from it after the session is over. Repairs and maintenance are not your problem.

As far as a leaseback is concerned, do you really want other students flying your plane?
What if it's damaged while out with someone else? Sure, insurance can take care of that. But while it's in the hangar, it's not available for use. So either you're not flying or you're renting something else. Doesn't this defeat the whole purpose of owning your own aircraft?

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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2007, 06:33:22 am »

I also have to concur with Gary's comment about the 152 - "two lightweight people."
Not only that, but it's also a bit "cozy" in there.
I've never been in a 152. I booked one once, but was never in it. It got bumped up to a 172. As the instructor put it "If you want a 152, go get yourself A JOCKEY." Smiley

As for getting a light sport plane - well, there seem to be two schools of thought on those. I've had someone relate an experience with a hard landing and damaging the landing gear. From this he concluded that LSAs are built light and are therefore somewhat fragile compared to say, a 172 or a Warrior. Potentially, they can cost a lot of money in repair bills... so my initial thought was that on top of requiring pristine clear weather to fly in, you'd be frustrated by the amount of hangar time needed to keep up with it. Murphy's Law suggests that when the shop is ready to release the plane to you, it will be on a rainy day that is unsuitable for sport flying. When the weather is more amenable, you will not be available. Yes, we need to work for a living, and probably as well need to work to pay off that aircraft loan, insurance and stack of repair bills as well. The weather will be beautiful on Wednesday and poopy on saturday and sunday for weeks on end... right?

The other argument is that sport planes are in fact built quite strong - they MUST be built strong, for they are constructed of light airframes.

For me, the bottom line is that I do not want to be the first kid on the block to own one, but would carefully look at it. Tried and true is good, and frankly I do not live in sunny California, but rather live in the Hudson Valley area of New York and frequently fly in Southern New England.

So for now, there is no verdict on either, for there is a fatal atraction that's holding me fast, how can I escape its irresistable grasp?
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